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    ruciomena
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    Hi! This post seeks to answer the following question: in which position should I install the inflatable seat in orden to maximize packraft’s directional stability?

    Other questions that relate to the first one:

    – Should I be able to touch the bow with my feet when paddling?

    – Is it ok to leave some room between my feet and the bow so I can carry stuff?

    This is my first post here! Greetings from Puerto Varas! (Patagonia, Chile)

    Position closest to the stern

    Position 20 cm towards the center

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      Bruce
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      In my experience, having outfitted numerous solo whitewater canoes and kayaks, and from talking to the most experienced of the local packrafters with more whitewater skills than I (Class IV WW Solo Canoe) the most efficient paddling seat location is as far forward as possible. This allows one to paddle with the modern kayak stroke.

      Ideally the paddler would be in the center of the packraft. Like a kayak seat. However, this is too far forward for most packrafts. John and others want at least 8 inches (20 cm) between their backband and the back of the kayak. It’s a fine place for day gear in a 30 litre dry bag or small pack.

      My favorite set-up is the DIY seat, with a back band preventing my Crazy Creek chair about 8 inches forward from the back of my V3 140. I put a throw rope, day bag / snack bag behind me. I don’t have room for anything at my feet.

      For more about the stroke try Ken Whitting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2fGKNFEURw

      Perhaps even better is Eric Jackson: https://paddlingmag.com/videos/eric-jackson-kayak-forward-stroke-video/

      The “modern” stroke is what happened to kayaking and canoeing when they became Olympic sports. My old low paddle, bent arm stroke is obsolete and deemed inefficient. Habits being hard to unlearn, it is just so much better to learn it right first!  My observation: If your arms are tired, oops, correct your stroke.

      Notice in these videos that the paddler is pretty much in the center of the craft. When outfitting a solo canoe the rule is for the spine to be at the moment-center of the craft. Yeah, the spine, which is pretty far behind my belly button! Canoeist, however, don’t have legs out in front like in a kayak.

      Enjoy!

      Bruce Campbell

       

    • #15986
      Matt (Admin)
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      Greetings! Great work on your Skeena!

      I’m not sure if the seat position will have a noticeable effect on the directional stability, but for comfort, my recommendation would be to start with it as far back as possible and then lengthen the tether if you want to try moving it forward. If you use the stock backrest then you will need to place something behind it or add a back band to move it forward (if you move the seat forward without moving the backrest, it will give you a reclined seating position which is comfortable for drifting, but not efficient for paddling).

      You can pack things in front of your feet, for sure. It’s not necessary to have your feet touching the front tubes. If you are paddling hard, using your whole body, sometimes it is nice to have something to push off of.

      I suggest that everyone should experiment with different paddling positions and postures to figure out what feels good for you in the type of paddling you enjoy.

      In case anyone is interested, here’s a detailed post I wrote about directional stability.

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