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Matt (Admin) wrote a new post 7 years, 2 months ago
Tom F. sent me this video and this link to a forum thread documenting the design and construction of a lightweight fishing float tube (a.k.a. bellyboat or belly boat) using heat sealable fabrics. […]
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Matt (Admin) wrote a new post 7 years, 2 months ago
Nikki’s parents were visiting over the holiday weekend and they wanted to try out the new packraft, so I took the opportunity to take a few pictures to share. You can see that the weather was much better than the […]
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Matt (Admin) replied to the topic DIY Packraft Photos in the forum DIY Packrafts 7 years, 2 months ago
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Matt (Admin) wrote a new post 7 years, 2 months ago
For the maiden voyage of the V3 DIY Packraft, Nikki and I spent the weekend visiting some glaciers!
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Wow! Some seriously awe inspiring pictures, we have a different setting of beauty here in Hawaii, so when I get to see authentic photos of such luscious and diverse, beautifully blanketed land it truly is a treat so thanks for posting them! How did everything go with the V3, were there any things you learned from the expedition?
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Thanks, Allen! The main lesson was the value of a good back rest for lower back support, so I will be working on one of those in the future.
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My favorite seat back, and the easiest, is a Crazy Creek folding camp chair. Not exactly a back packing item, but I can set a 2″ thick square boating flotation seat pad into the raft, top it with the crazy Creek chair and my daughter is up above the water and happy. Commercial versions that support the back and wrap around the hips are not popular among the hardcore here in Fairbanks. I bet Matt can develop something much better! The whitewater hardcore I know prefer a good kayak back band, supported with attachment loops or D-rings high on the inside of the raft. If using D-rings, they also attach their thigh braces to the same point. (I’m still looking for nice 1″ (25mm) aluminum D-rings, chrome rust, and the Titanium ones are a bit rough edged (DutchGear.com)). If using webbing one has to think through the connection so knees and back straps are connected and pulling against each other, not both building pressure on the side attachment patches in opposite directions.
Can’t wait to get my V3 built! Lets see, 1000D or 420D, that’s the question?
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Matt (Admin) wrote a new post 7 years, 2 months ago
First Pictures of the new V3 DIY Packraft Here are some pictures of the new V3 DIY Packraft. This one is the 120 size, and has a 420D floor (TPU on both sides) and 210D tubes. As it is now, […]
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Yes indeed!
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Thanks, Rob! Yeah, the inflatable floor will be a removable insert instead of integrated into the boat – it’s just easier that way.
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Awesome – it should be within the next week or two. Thanks!
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Looks great! Wider seams, appear to be almost 40 cm wide?
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Looks great! Wider seams, appear to be almost 40 cm wide?
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Very, very nice.. Have to get me one of those..
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Hi Hugh – I’ve updated the post to include the main differences. Thanks!
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Thanks, Eliot!
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They are heat sealed together 🙂
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Matt (Admin) wrote a new post 7 years, 2 months ago
I’ve posted written instructions for assembling the inflation bag kit here. They are text-only, at the moment, but I will add photos and a video soon!
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Matt (Admin) replied to the topic DIY Packraft Photos in the forum DIY Packrafts 7 years, 3 months ago
I just got this cool shot from Jeremy and Melissa in Alaska showing their first two DIY Packrafts on their maiden voyage!
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Matt (Admin) replied to the topic Help & Questions re: DIY Packraft Construction in the forum DIY Packrafts 7 years, 3 months ago
Yes, that could work for the V2 plans if you extend the tube pieces slightly (so the ends overlap enough to bond them together).
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Matt (Admin) replied to the topic What is everyone doing for cargofly inner gear bags? in the forum DIY Packrafts 7 years, 3 months ago
I’ve been using lightweight drybags like you’re thinking of using, though I haven’t bothered adding tiedowns or clips for them, as I don’t paddle any crazy whitewater (yet…). Cheers!
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Matt (Admin) replied to the topic DIy Kit for sale in Holland/New Zealand. in the forum DIY Packrafts 7 years, 3 months ago
I have disabled direct messaging between forum members due to a spam issue, so please contact me for Chris’ contact info. Thanks!
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Matt (Admin) replied to the topic Ultralight DIY Packraft in the forum DIY Packrafts 7 years, 3 months ago
Hi Bill,
Yep, the ultralight packraft is… ultralight! 😀
The 40D fabric seals at the same temperature as the heavier fabrics, so if you do find a trim sealing iron that is hot enough to seal it, please let us know – so far, I haven’t had any luck.
Cheers!
Matt
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Matt (Admin) replied to the topic Help & Questions re: DIY Packraft Construction in the forum DIY Packrafts 7 years, 3 months ago
I’m sorry, I’m not sure what you mean. Can you maybe draw a picture to help explain?
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Matt (Admin) wrote a new post 7 years, 3 months ago
I’ve been working on a new packraft design for some time now, incorporating several improvements over the current V2 kits, including tougher floor material, easier construction, more sizes, and better […]
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Hey Matt
Sorry to hear you have had people stealing your designs for their own profit, that sucks! I can only imagine how much time and effort it must take to plan and test your designs – the V2 packraft I’ve made from your kit has handled beautifully without any leaks since I first made it. I was hoping to purchase plans or a kit for the 2-person voyager in order to make it in time for training for and competing in Godzone, an adventure race I am doing next year in NZ. When do you think kits for the 2-person will be online?
Thanks for your hard work
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Thanks, Joe – the 2-person kits will be available at the same time as the regular V3 kits. Cheers!
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Hi Todd, I would start by reading the Fabrics, Tools, and Valves sections of the FAQ, above, and maybe check out the Forum as well, as there are some pictures of rafts people have made. Also check out the inflatable catamaran raft at http://www.cubenmaker.com. For seam sealing technique, check out the videos in the How-To sections above. Cheers!
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Great! I hope to have it ready in the next week or two, but I can’t guarantee it.
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Hi Tim – it will be approximately 4 pounds. Cheers!
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Thanks, Brian – that means a lot to me! Best regards
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Hi Mark – I will be designing a V3 version of the Ultralight packraft, but it will be slightly different because it will not use double-sided TPU fabric, so it will take a bit longer.
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Matt (Admin) wrote a new post 7 years, 3 months ago
Some time ago I posted a page about making your own inflation bag*, and since then several people have asked me to supply parts so they won’t have to spend time and money sourcing them elsewhere.
In response, […]
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Yess Matt thank you so much! Deffinately excited about this and the next update, I have already begun imagining a way to add clips to the bag so it could double function as a drybag! Such amazing work your doing, I for one appreciate it!
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I am especially interested in your connector that fits the fine Boston Valves. They are great valves, but an odd thread I have not been able to successfully fashion on my lathe. Worth the price of a kit, though I made my bag out of silnyl not TPU.
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Hi Bruce – the connector is unthreaded silicone hose, which is soft enough to screw into the Boston valve’s unusual threads without damaging them, and there’s no risk of cross-threading. The size fits the larger (drain) part of the valve, which makes inflation muchfaster than forcing air through the check valve part of the Boston valve. Once the packraft is full, I pop off the inflation bag, screw in the check valve, and top off the air pressure through the check valve by mouth. The whole process takes under three minutes.
I’m a fan of silnylon too, but keeping with my no-sewing promise I’m sticking with TPU (though Cuben fiber/Dyneema would also work well).
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Great, I can find silicone tubing online. Did you use 20mm ID x 25mm OD size tubing? (The next size smaller is 16mm ID x 20mm OD, while other suppliers offer fractional inch measurements up to 7/8 inch but I think that’s too small.
Bruce-
I used 7/8″ and it seems to work well!
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Great, I can find silicone tubing online. Did you use 20mm ID x 25mm OD size tubing? (The next size smaller is 16mm ID x 20mm OD, while other suppliers offer fractional inch measurements up to 7/8 inch but I think that’s too small.
Bruce
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Matt (Admin) wrote a new post 7 years, 3 months ago
I’ve just finished writing up instructions for the new seat kits, and they’re posted here!
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Matt (Admin) replied to the topic DIY Packraft Photos in the forum DIY Packrafts 7 years, 3 months ago
Awesome! Thanks for posting, Dave! It looks great 😀
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Matt (Admin) replied to the topic Valve hack in the forum DIY Packrafts 7 years, 3 months ago
Nice work – I like it!
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Matt (Admin) replied to the topic What paddles? in the forum DIY Packrafts 7 years, 3 months ago
I’m currently using a very light two piece carbon kayak paddle made by Werner, which was a very generous gift; if you’re making or purchasing a paddle, I recommend choosing a four piece design because it’s easier to pack.
When it comes to paddles, spending more money generally gets you a lighter, stiffer paddle. Depending on the type of paddling…[Read more]
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Matt (Admin) replied to the topic tpu side in the forum DIY Packrafts 7 years, 3 months ago
This is a common mistake that I’ve made myself, as it only requires a moment of inattention to damage the TPU coating with a hot iron. In most cases it only leaves a small mark on the fabric that doesn’t affect it’s performance, but if the iron is left in contact with the TPU long enough, it can make a hole.
The best way to patch a hole of any…[Read more]
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Matt (Admin) wrote a new post 7 years, 3 months ago
A number of people have experienced temperature problems with mini irons like the Clover Mini Iron II and the Dritz Petite Press, so I am designing future DIY Packrafts to be easier to make using larger hobby […]
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Hi Greg,
I think this is a better product in general, but its size makes it a bit awkward to use sometimes, so it’s a trade-off. Future DIY Packrafts will be designed to be easier to construct with irons this size.
Cheers!
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Matt,
Before you wrote this blog, I decided to try one of the model aircraft heat sealing irons. I chose the Top Flight because it has a narrower bottom, and I thought it might be useful sealing across double width seams, where tubes join the floor, for example.
Using my inexpensive infrared thermometer (an instant read oven meat thermometer works just fine too) I found it heated to 198 degrees C. On removing the plastic thermostat knob, I could reach into the brass stem with a fine jewelers slotted screwdriver and adjust the thermostat. Turning the inner screw counter-clockwise increases the temperature. It doesn’t take much. 1/8 of a turn may be all you need. Double check it on a piece of TPU fabric, of course. I’ll post a picture on the forum.
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hello,
how much power you need for welding the tpu?
are 20W enough?
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I have used a 20W soldering iron and it worked fine – it sounds like that iron will work if the advertised temperature is accurate.
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hello,
how much power you need for welding the tpu?
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Hi Michael – I use the side and the bottom and the tip of the iron when working on the seams, depending on the situation. You can iron a strip narrower than the bottom of the iron by ironing over a convex bowl or narrower form (details in the V3 instructions), and you can also try putting masking tape on parts of the iron to insulate areas you don’t want to use. Cheers!
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How much power you want depends on how much area you want to weld at once. A soldering iron may melt the material together, but when a complete boat consists of maybe a square meter of welding, the tip of a soldering iron makes maddeningly slow progress.
I have experimented with various soldering irons attached to a rheostat, an antique one with a big chunky copper tip worked the best. I also tried the clover iron, it gets the job done but is still slow at 40W. The whole thing of having a heating element far from the iron surface is maddening, as you are relying on all the heat you need for bringing fabric and underlayment up to temperature to travel down a skinny shaft. In addition, having this “lag” between your heat source and sealing surface makes for an iron that when laying about overheats, but when used cannot produce enough heat to weld efficiently. For example, the clover must be left sitting idle on it’s medium setting as to not get the tip hot enough to melt the nylon at initial touch. however, once in use it must be turned up to it’s highest setting to keep up with heat lost through the tip.
Matt’s suggestion of using the black baron heat sealing iron makes sense, as the heating coil is in the iron itself, and it appears to have at least a little thermal mass to it. I.e, the heat you make is the heat you get at the tip. I am waiting for the “21st century” cover rite iron to come in the mail, supposedly it keeps a temperature within 3 deg f.
I would rather use a clothing iron before I used a soldering iron!
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Excellent points, Patrick. I made an aluminum foot for my soldering iron so it had more thermal mass and it worked pretty well, but the tools required and the amount of work involved in shaping the aluminum makes that approach impractical for most people – it’s so much easier to buy something that works out of the box!
Please let us know how you like the 21st Century iron. Cheers!
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In the last 12 months, I have built 4 cat-a-rafts and experimented with a few small pillows as well. I had 2 failed attempts, one reasonably functional raft and finally arrived at a design I am happy with. The point of that is that I have sealed a bunch of linear feet of fabric.
I started with the Mini Clover and graduated to the “improved” mini clover. (aluminum foil wrapped shaft) The out of the box version is painfully slow on 210 D fabric. The improved version is significantly better but it still requires waiting. It heats up to where it melts on contact (not good) then cools to where it’s not sealing requiring one to wait for it to heat up. Wait too long and it melts on contact. Not long enough and you don’t get much sealing done. The mini Clover does work much better with the lighter fabrics but they melt much easier when the iron is too hot so greater care is required.
Recently, I have been struggling with getting a pillow to hold air overnight with weight on it. If I can do that then I can build a raft that stays hard for long periods… I considered that the problem might be the new batch of fabric – especially the new 3 oz 40D. I mostly suspected my technique. I thought that I might be weakening the fabric at the seam edge when I hit it with a too hot iron. I suspected I was causing just enough damage to allow a very small amount of air seepage. As soon as I saw the video of Matt with the Black Baron I ordered it on Amazon. It was $26. As soon as it arrived I cut off the edges and resealed my last two pillow experiments. I achieved a good seal and no leakage. I put a 10″ x 10″ x 3/8″ steel plate on top of my most recent 40D experiment and it held air overnight. Mystery solved. I am now waiting for another batch of fabric and looking forward to working with the Black Baron iron. It is much more robust than the Mini. I broke my first Mini Clover after a decent amount of use and my current one is loosening up and likely to break in the near future. I don’t see how one could break the Baron. The adjustable temperature really helps and the larger mass holds the heat. As noted above, the Baron’s size helps solve some issues but at times can be a hindrance but overall, I think we are on to something here. Ron Samber -
Yikes, that sounds scary! I’ve never used a sock, so maybe that’s the issue – wrapping an iron in an insulating blanket will certainly keep a lot more heat in. I’d avoid using a sock in the future.
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I recommend against the 21st Century Iron altogether. Mine actually didn’t get hot enough and it lost its heat too quickly due to the shoe having less mass than the Black Baron iron. The 21st Century Iron looks good on paper and I’m sure it’s great for the thin fabrics that airplane modelers use, but for this application I don’t think it’s the right tool.
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Thanks, Mark – I’ve updated the post to include this tip because you’re not the first person to have issues with the 21st Century iron. Cheers
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Matt: AWESOME link to this man’s quest to build a 2 lb float tube. I read through all 22 pages of posts spanning 5 years of research and design. Fascinating stuff. We lost a good one when he died.